Steve Berry is a rare breed of author: the perennial best-seller. Rare and admirable, as any of us would love the certainty that our next novel will be a best-seller. But this does not come easily, and there is a great deal of hard work behind Berry’s thrillers, which may be page-turners, but are deceptive, if you think them simple. Berry does research as if he were writing non-fiction, and I can attest to the level of depth into which he delves. He spelunks into history with the attention of a scholar. One of his forthcoming books in his Cotton Malone series—about a not-quite-retired US Department of Justice operative who runs a bookstore in Copenhagen when not chasing or being chased in search of historical treasures and truths—involves The Ghent Altarpiece by Jan van Eyck, the subject of one of my non-fiction books. Berry interviewed me several times after reading my book with remarkable detail, asking insightful questions that lay to rest the lazy man’s comparison of his books to Dan Brown’s. Both sell millions of books and write conspiracy theory chase thrillers involving historical facts and treasures, but their level of research, in my personal experience (Brown cites the organization I founded, the Association for Research into Crimes against Art in Inferno) and in the resulting novels, is miles apart. In short, knowing a lot about the true history behind a Steve Berry novel is not annoying and detracts nothing from the enjoyment of reading it. Not necessarily so for Mr. Brown. I was fortunate to interview Berry years back, and so, after being interviewed by him for his future novel, it was good to circle back and ask him a fresh round of questions. As a writer of non-fiction, academic works and the occasional thriller myself, I’ll be taking careful notes…
Noah Charney (NC): You specialize in thrillers that are based on historical mysteries. What about a historical fact or mystery jumps out at you, in order to prompt you to build a novel's plot around it?
Steve Berry (SB): I look for subject matters that others have not touched, those historical tidbits that are usually found in the footnotes of a book. Aspects of history that are relatively unknown but, hopefully, readers will want to know more about. I especially do not want to plow a field that others have already worked. I want something fresh and different.
NC: When teaching, I've often described what I call "the treasure hunt instinct." When we humans hear that there is a secret, something hidden, something lost we yearn to know it. This is fertile ground that you tap in your novels. I wonder about your thoughts on it as a human trait, why we have that in us?
SB: It goes way back to the dawn of humankind. We’ve always wanted to know what lies just over the horizon, which may have been the greatest secret of all. It’s in our genes to be tantalized by the unknown. We can’t help it. But that’s great for novelists like me.
NC: How did you come up with Cotton Malone, and does it ever feel constricting to have such a popular character who you've "lived with' for so many hundreds of pages? Conan Doyle famously felt burdened by the popularity of Sherlock Holmes.
SB: He was born in Copenhagen while I was sitting a café in Højbro Plads, a popular Danish square. That’s why Cotton owns a bookshop there. I wanted a character with government ties and a background that would make him, if threatened, formidable. But I also wanted him to be human, with flaws. Since I love rare books, it was natural that Cotton would too, so he became a Justice Department operative, turned bookseller, who manages, from time to time, to find trouble. I gave him an eidetic memory, since who wouldn’t like one of those? At the same time, he is clearly a man in conflict. His marriage has failed, he maintains a difficult relationship with his teenage son, and he’s lousy with women. In another words, he’s human. And I’ve never felt burdened by him. I enjoy our visits together.
NC: What is your research process like? Having interviewed you in the past, and having assisted you with a few questions on your research, I can attest to the fact that your research is wonderfully thorough. You read many books and interview experts prior to writing (unlike certain other historical mystery thriller writers who will go unmentioned).
SB: My books are 90% kept to history, with 10% of fiction woven in. I try to get it right. I really do. It’s important. I use around 300 to 400 sources for each novel, most of which are physical books. There is usually at least one trip associated with each book, where I have to visit a particular place because the answers I need are not found in the books. I’m not perfect. Mistakes are made. But I try to correct them as fast as I can. There’s also a Writer’s Note in the back of all my books that tells the reader what’s real and what’s not. I think it’s important that be done.
NC: Most of your novels take place in Europe, but you and your protagonist are American. But Cotton Malone for some time has been an expat, living in Europe. Any particular reason for the Eurocentricity of your novels?
SB: I love the place. Old to the United States is 250 years. Old to Europe is thousands of years. There’s so much history and heritage there. And the stories. So many. I also think that American audiences enjoy visiting overseas locales, particularly ones they can ultimately go and see for themselves. It’s important that the locales I use are all accessible. I’ve heard from a lot of readers who have gone to see them.
NC: Ever been tempted to write pacy, narrative non-fiction? You'd seem a natural for it, since your novels are based on careful research, with just some fictional elements peppered in. If so, is there a topic that you'd most enjoy publishing non-fiction on?
SB: Not at the moment, but I won’t say never.
NC: Any tip or preferably a magic recipe for writing good pacy, tense thriller text?
SB: Stuff has to happen all the time. It’s a thriller, which by definition has to thrill. I’m not saying I get that pacing right 100% of the time, but I try really hard. Another thing for me, the story needs that “oooh factor,” something from history that gets the reader to say “ooooh.” Then you need a “so-what?” That something from history still has to matter today. All of that works together to keep the suspense and pace going.
NC: You've got a book forthcoming on my pet topic, The Ghent Altarpiece. What about it drew you to it as a plot driver for a future Cotton Malone novel?
SB: Come on! The most stolen work of art in history? That, in and of itself, is amazing. It’s going to work great for a thriller. I’m looking forward to visiting Ghent soon to see the altarpiece.
NC: Your readers are eager for movies to be made out of your novels, and they seem a natural fit. Is that in the works, or any reason you can share as to why not?
SB: There’s been a lot of talk about doing it, but no one has come and actually bought the rights. Maybe one day. It would cool to see it on the screen.
I hate nature
I can't stand looking at moons
night after night
Now the sun lies so smooth
over the mountains and the only thing that remains is
a rabbits gentle leap over everything
And now something inside me comes loose
like ice during the global warming
when lots of ice falls into the ocean, becomes ocean
something inside me comes loose
and becomes me
Soon scene serenade
arctic light over the sea and death
I have abandoned my old ideology and my new one is to try to create my own
And I have also had a flower beside me
when they thought I was dead
I have been afraid of death for six years
but it is not until now that I understand that life is short and then again I become afraid of life itself, just like the dodo dances until the day ends and it makes me so happy when I think about that you can do whatever you want and I don't want to wait until they think I'm dead
with having a flower beside me in bed
arctic light over the mountains on the other
sane swing soft serenity
arctic light over both lungs
I sigh, I fall asleep
I make a phone call
I'm tasting blood in my mouth and
she answers with hair she answers with tears
Shame doesn't make you
but stiff in the
I don't like skincare
"constantly moisturize the skin"
I don't like that advice
I can't do it
I lie on the ground and close my eyes,
even though I'm pressing my ear to the ground – I hear
it seems like earth
doesn't have a heart
ha ha, I've always known that
that it's only the ocean that has a pulse
And I have stopped believing in
now I believe,
maybe not only,
but a lot
"A gene is a locus (or region) of DNA which is made up of nucleotides and is the molecular unit of heredity"
it is what it is – it doesn't eat
it feels good no longer being able to blame someone
I no longer need to think about if I'm
middle or under class
I only Am
and it's nice
I listen to Celine Dion and drink beer
that's nature poetry to me
My thought is a flower in my head
the pillow smells pee and I don't care
a full meadow soon blossoms there
I will walk on it when I fall asleep
I will walk barefoot because nature is not very hard
For a period in my life I only wore black clothes
everything is black
When I look through the window I see all the way to
the underground clubs where I used to dream
I loved this city before it had walls
I loved this sea before it bled
and I saw it from
afar and it smelled
I felt it from all directions
Sway sweat sear promises amends
that comes in your mouth, my orgasm
falling asleep to the sound of animals
My lovely fate is to make sure that air doesn't enter the bread bag and makes the
white bread hard
Then you will be disappointed
And in everything they want to remove
It doesn't live
it's not possible
It doesn't eat
it doesn't collect
It's raining violently, drops are whipped
against the windows, and explode and explode and land on rivers
I’ve never heard of, never been to
It feels like someone is touching my hair, fondly as if life is already over and will
but the Day that this weather is warning us
for will come
has already come
"what can't happen" happen everyday
How I love the sound of
because it's useless and unbearable
Once I watched a documentary about Christiania it was about that kids who
grew up there were traumatized for life b/c all the sex and drugs (just another day in
motherfucking paradise). I could smell the smell of abuse and ashtray through the tv
screen, the edge of dirt under the nails
Someone said that I will never be right in the head and that I was and angel, a small animal.
I sat on Medborgarplatsen today and felt
the winds of change
whatever can happen whenever
you never know when the next thing will happen
I pray to the predictable god that I will be
like a jellyfish floating in the water, that I won't
know what will come later that I won't be ready
because it doesn't have smell nor color but it must
SB: Over 4.8 billion artifacts are currently held in public trust by more than 30,000 archives, historical societies, libraries, museums, research collections, and archaeological repositories around the United States. A lack of funding currently places over a third of these items at risk of being destroyed. That’s why, in 2009, my wife Elizabeth and I started our foundation, History Matters.
During the past seven years we’ve traveled coast to coast, working with both local communities and professional entities on over 80 projects, raising $1,000,000 for historic preservation. Places like the P.T. Barnum Museum in Bridgeport, Connecticut; the Lincoln Log Cabin in Charleston, Illinois; historic cemeteries in Raleigh, North Carolina, Atlanta, Georgia, and Jekyll Island, Georgia; the Mark Twain House in Hartford, Connecticut; museums in Seattle, Washington and Pleasanton, California; historic buildings in Beaufort, South Carolina and Berryville, Arkansas; and the rare book collection for the Library of Virginia and the Smithsonian Libraries.
I tell people all the time. Look around your house. There are countless photographs, newspaper clippings, letters, heirlooms, keepsakes, and memorabilia. Imagine if these were forever lost, never to be seen nor held again.
In school, history can seem the most tedious of subjects. So many facts, figures and dates that mean little to nothing. But history is not something obscure or unimportant. In fact, it plays a vital role in our everyday lives. We study our past in order to achieve greater influence over our future. It is from history that we learn what to champion and what to avoid. Decision-making around the world, every day, is based on what came before us. Why? Because history matters.
NC: What’s your favorite museum and restaurant in Europe. And what should we see/eat there?
SB: As museums go, I love the Cluny in Paris. It’s the best medieval museum in Europe. Restaurants? That’s a tough one, since I’ve eaten in some really amazing spots, none of which were fancy or expensive. That’s the thing about Europe, you can get a terrific meal just about anywhere.
NC: Thanks, Steve. And in Ghent, I recommend stoverij at the Rechterge Rechters restaurant next to the cathedral. They quote an “American author” who said that this was the best stoverij in the city. That was me. Enjoy!